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and in morning and pay more after-tax dollars for each of those. it shows just a matter of perspective. anyway each if you were pioneers and supporters of the media. helen was there when no one else was. came and made a commitment. they gave women opportunities. there were rules about needed to have women and minorities above the fold. it was not just hiring. it was about making sure there were reflected in the paper. do you have thought about the role in that and win an? >> i think that he deserves credit. other done more than any individual in journalism to bring women along. i mean that seriously. when you look back at the progress women have made it, no matter whom you talk to, what he did in the early days, even well he made a today, point. i knew a number of women who worked under you. your known as somebody who was a champion of bringing women in. earlyman was one of the editors at usa today. on any rooftop and shot that he deserves the credit for the advances. to putgoing to interrupt that into perspective. that makes me sound like a nice guy and that is not a correct decision. that no
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